Tesla: Sarah Budriunas (Part 2 of 2)

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Sarah has worked for Tesla for 3.5 years and specifically focuses her efforts on workforce development & the skilled trades. Growing up, the messaging was always: go to school, get accepted into a 4-year college, get your degree, and there will be a fantastic job waiting for you. Upon exiting college as the Great Recession was wrapping up, this was no longer the case and led to a rude awakening. Sarah had multiple industry changes that eventually led to her Tesla. Today's conversation talks about this journey, her career moves, and how failure isn't always a bad thing.

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Sarah Budriunas (00:04):
That was one of the wake up calls for me to realize it was not fulfilling. Something that really made me passionate and excited to go to work. We all need a paycheck, but this was something that was just, it was sticking with me. It was jarring. And it was a moment that I realized I needed to start shifting directions and figure out how to, how to get somewhere. That was really going to make a difference in my day to day

Vincent Phamvan (00:30):
From Vyten career coaching. It's how I got a show about business leaders, their resilience, and the stories behind their career. I'm Vincent Phamvan, and I've interviewed thousands of job candidates over the years in both recruiting and as a former corporate executive. Now I'm on a mission to help you take the next step into your career. A corporate job opening attracts an average of 250 resumes, and just one person is going to get hired. It wasn't all that long ago that I was nervous and frustrated by my job search, but it doesn't have to be this way. You can navigate your career with competence, spend everyday learning and drive to better yourself. You can be excited about the future. In this episode, we're welcoming back Sarah Budriunas from Tesla, where she's a senior project manager on their recruiting team. This is actually part two of a two part episode with Sarah. In fact, if you haven't listened to the first episode, I'd recommend going back to the previous episode and starting there in the second episode, Sarah goes deep on what Tesla is looking for when evaluating applications. She dispels myths about reaching out cold to recruiters, and she talks about how she found her life's passion and how that led to her career at Tesla. Okay, well, let's jump right back into when I asked Sarah about what makes a job candidate stand out to recruiters.

Sarah Budriunas (01:54):
We all need a paycheck. I truly understand that I have had some very scary times where I wasn't sure how I was going to pay my bills other than my rent, you know, out of given month. And there still has to be something though that's propelling you in that interview or in that discussion that showing at the end of the day, if you were to be hit with something very hard, you know, from that company in any sort of capacity, how are you going to deal with it? Is that positivity and optimism gonna shine through, or are you going to find the silver lining? And those are truly things that interviewers really look to pick up on and being really excited can truly help show how you would be in the environment. Even once some of the initial magic wears off for the company.

Vincent Phamvan (02:37):
That's a great point. I've been you and I both been in a recruiting coordinator role. I don't think I've ever sat in a debrief and had somebody go, you know, that candidate was just way too excited about working here. Like that is now, that has never happened, but it's completely different than like dating, right? Because in dating, like you can definitely be over anxious and a little bit too excited, but that really doesn't apply in the job.

Sarah Budriunas (03:01):
I know. And people often equate going on a date to a job interview. So I understand how sometimes that gets a bit muddled, but it's so true. You know, I have talked to hiring managers after where they go, Whoa, that person was really excited or really enthusiastic, but we're going to hire them. You know, it's never been like, they're doing Susie astic. I don't want to hire them.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
All right. So to miss, we're going to dispel right now in a job, sir, in dating, you can absolutely be too excited and show too much excitement early on that doesn't apply in a job search. The other place where I think it doesn't apply is research in dating. If you're doing a ton of research about the person that you're about to go on a first date with that's could get a little creepy, like everybody does it, but it's like not something you show, it's not something you admit, but in a job search, the opposite holds true. Like if you've listened to the last earnings call and you're going, Oh yeah, you know, so-and-so was talking about on the last earnings call, this initiative to do X, Y, and Z, like that doesn't show, you know, a creepy level of research. If anything like that, those are the things that really stand out.

Sarah Budriunas (04:07):
Yeah. It's so funny. You bring that up because I, my boyfriend and I have been dating for over a year and just the other week, he just told me that he had been looking me up on LinkedIn and trying to find me like on Facebook before our first date. And I have no idea. And I was like, wow, you know, I love you. That's a little crazy. I'm glad I didn't know that until recently. Um, but you know, that's the other thing too of accompany has so much public material out there. It's yours for the taking it's public. It's been vetted every way possible, you know, over and under, go look for it. And it's typically even with us, sometimes it can be almost too overwhelming. You really go down a rabbit hole, how much information there is. So the other piece I would say, think about the role and what relates to the role, because some of the other feedback I've gotten is someone's excited and that's great, but they're also then rambling on about like, let's say for my, for my program, you know, we're looking for service technicians that are going to work on customer cars.

Sarah Budriunas (05:05):
Someone comes in, they don't say anything about the cars or the products on the road, and they only talk about solar and that's important. That's a huge piece of the business. However, the role we are looking for has absolutely nothing to do with that. So I would just also be mindful of what research you are pulling in when you are having those discussions and the interview.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
I think that's a really great point. And I think the best questions that you can ask in an interview are ones that make it clear that you've looked for the answer to that question before. I know one of the things that I saw candidates do is they would literally ask questions. It's like, well, the answer is on the career webpage, like at the top of the career webpage, or there's like a person there's a video of a person literally talking about that for three minutes, uh, on the page. But if you're pulling a question, you're laughing, uh, you've seen that too, right?

Sarah Budriunas (05:54):
Yeah. It's like with a mission statement, you know, uh, that's literally at the top of our page and sometimes people, unfortunately don't know it. And I know sometimes some of my hiring managers, they go, okay, it's fine. I shock enough teams being nervous. Other ones that actually, it's a, it's an issue with a red flag for them because it's so in your face, if you go on the website

Speaker 3 (06:15):
And you can easily turn that around into, Hey, I know Tesla's mission statement is this, how have you seen that come to life in this department? And I think, I think those are questions that allow people to be able to then tell really great stories, but also make it abundantly clear that you've done your homework. And you're excited. Tell me about a common myth about getting an incredible job at a company like Tesla.

Sarah Budriunas (06:41):
So it was always my goal to break into tech. I didn't know who, how or why or where, but I knew I had to get back up to San Francisco from LA to do it. LA was just starting to become that Silicon beach and it wasn't quite there. So I knew I had to get into, you know, the belly of the proverbial beast and go work in the Bay area, figure it out. And so proximity was super helpful. I will say that. Um, but then one, you know, one of the things that for me I've found working at Tesla was a lot of times I think people hear a company and they just associate a certain role with that company. And one of the things, well, you know, I've alluded to, and we've talked about is I don't support engineering, recruiting, you know, that's an, or manufacturing.

Sarah Budriunas (07:27):
I support a piece of the business that is still extremely vital to the company's ultimate success and sustainability because the product exists. It's out on the road, the customer is driving it. And now who are they going to go to if they need scheduled or unscheduled maintenance on their Tesla? Because one of the biggest barriers to entry to buying a Tesla is this a location where we call them service centers. They're not, we don't call them dealerships because they're not franchised, but I digress. Um, if not, if there's not one by your house, whether it's Honda, Tesla BMW, you might not buy that car because it's not accessible to you. So for us, that's actually the world I started in, I was a recruiting coordinator for field service, um, which is a team that now is under a larger team. So even at TotSquad, the other thing is that so much changes over months or years at a time, once you've been there for a little bit, but that being said, I support a piece of the business that I see a lot of people not talking about when they talk about Tesla and that ties directly into the skilled trades and how important it is to find individuals that know how to work with their hands.

Sarah Budriunas (08:35):
And they like taking things apart, putting them back together, seeing how they work. You know, they grew up working on cars with a kid, with their dad, or they worked on tractors because they grew up on a farm, whatever it might be, maybe they got the experience in the military. Maybe they finally realized this passion and were able to harness it by getting an automotive degree at a local community college. Those are the individuals we're actually looking for. Um, in the technician training program, I support called the festal start program. And that's an incredible way to get your foot in the door because you're brought in as an intern for three months. And then we guarantee you the placement interview, as long as your performance has been strong. And then at that point, we're looking to place you somewhere in the U S give you a full time role up your hourly rate.

Sarah Budriunas (09:19):
You have health benefits as an intern. They continue once you're full time, you get an equity award, and then if you're moving, we'll actually even give you relocation assistance. So this is a really incredible piece of the business that my team has had the opportunity to build and scale and support that actually has nothing to do with engineering. But these individuals could eventually go that route, especially if maybe they have an associates in engineering and they eventually want to get their bachelor's. They might have even the bachelor's I've had master's candidates that do this program. So it's really a widely varied demographic of individual that ultimately likes working with customers, loved working on cars. And then once you know, the product, you can really go anywhere internally in the company.

Speaker 3 (10:01):
Yeah. And what an incredible way of being able to get on a path, if you haven't done the quote unquote traditional prerequisites for that path, right? Like we heard that for you in terms of how you, how you've taken small pivots throughout your career. But yeah, I think this is a really great point of, you know, you have this misconception at times of in order to work in tech, you have to go to a coding boot camp or, you know, get a software engineering bachelor's degree. Um, and there's a lot of different paths. And I think the other piece too, now that you're talking about this portion of the business is, you know, there's, there's finance roles at every company, HR roles at every company. And so there are some of those other functions as well that you don't necessarily instantly think of when you think tech.

Sarah Budriunas (10:54):
Yes. Almost to the extent where it's overwhelming, where people ask, what, what jobs do you have a Tesla, maybe it's just an ice breaker. Maybe people truly don't know the extent of the opportunities. Um, it, it almost is hard to just say, Oh, here's what we have because there is so much, and it really will be dependent on your background. And ultimately what you're looking to do to then figure out what steps you might need to take in order to, to apply and have your resumes flagged by the right team, uh, you know, get your foot in the door, whether it's entry-level or through an internship. And then once it's on your resume, and once you're with the company, you know, it's really, the onus is on you then to decide how far that goes. But I mean, key or 0.8, one of the things Elan has always come out and publicly said was that a lot of our roles don't require even past the high school diploma initially to get in, because he would rather see what you're going to do day in and day out versus stonewalling.

Sarah Budriunas (11:51):
You halfway through your trajectory because missing a certain degree. And that was something that really stuck with me because of where I grew up and all the pressure around continuing your higher education and getting degrees because you can't get to a certain place otherwise. And Iwan doesn't feel that way. Tesla as a wider company has so many opportunities that truly do not require those, those degrees. And as a result, you can come in and you can make something of yourself. And I think that almost resonates a bit with the American dream and why people even came to the U S initially was to make something of themselves. So I find that really heartening and really inspiring. And it always makes me so proud to be a part of that.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
Hmm. What advice would you give to somebody who's looking to get into tech?

Sarah Budriunas (12:41):
There will have to be some sort of contact or referral and probably you'll have to be okay with coming in at a level that you might've thought you were above. So what I mean by that is I was an operations manager that came in as a recruiting coordinator. I'm technically on paper. I probably looked over qualified, but the way tech moves Tesla is, you know, the epitome of this, but so many other companies are the same. The way tech moves is so fast, they need individuals that are going to be able to hit the ground running, which means it's might be privy of that company to bring you in at a level you didn't know, would be requirements of a job that actually matched your background and the title. Wasn't what you thought it was going to be. And that's very confusing in itself because so many tech companies have titles where you go, I don't even understand what this is.

Sarah Budriunas (13:38):
How do I know if this is a job for me? Because I don't know what this title means. So that's, that's in itself a whole piece of research that can be really complicated. And that's where the referral piece comes in because at least someone in the company or someone that knows someone in the company can at least guide you in the right direction with what that title and what that role really means. And then seeing oftentimes if you come in, even if it's entry level, you can often progress quickly because you're in a high potential position and you have a longer runway. It's not a negative thing to come in with the title that maybe you didn't anticipate yourself having.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
That makes so much sense. I had a conversation with a friend recently, who's a director at a very large company and was considering a VP role at a much smaller company. And even though it was, it could be easy to perceive that on paper, as a promotion, in the true reality of how the roles are leveled in the different organizations, it would actually end up being a step back just because the VP role was at a smaller company. But these are the types of things that you don't really understand until you, you, to your point, build a relationship and start the questions.

Sarah Budriunas (14:54):
Yeah. And I recognize how hard that can be if you're even looking just to start somewhere, you know, maybe you're not local to the area. Maybe you don't know anyone that works with the companies.

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Sarah Budriunas (16:59):
But whether it's a blind cold reach out on LinkedIn, maybe it's a family friend that knows someone who knows someone who's willing to get a, a virtual cup of coffee with you these days. Um, it never hurts to reach out where the worst thing that happens is someone says no, or you don't hear back from them, but you don't know until you try. Um, I would do it in a way that's thoughtful though. I mean, obviously you don't want to be copying and pasting in math. Hi, help me. I need a job. But if there is a way where I have seen certain individuals reach out in a very thoughtful manner, whether it's, Hey, I was looking at your background, I came from healthcare. How did you navigate this? Do you have five minutes to chat? Something like that? You know, that always really stuck with me or, Hey, I worked for Equinox and I'm looking to make a change. I don't think we paths, but would you be open to chatting and just finding some sort of commonality there is going to resonate a lot more than just the help me. I need a job path.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
I love that. So you're D you know, you're in a position where I'm sure you get many code messages on LinkedIn. And so it sounds like the elements there are Def when you send a link in connection, you can hit the blue connect button, or you can hit the white add note button. So you always want to hit the white add note button. And then the messages that you just said, there could be as simple as, Hey, Sarah, I saw that you made this transition from this role to this other role. I'm looking to make a similar transition. I would love to hear about that. Um, and the other one that I actually love is talking about similar experiences. If you're going out and you're targeting people, go find the other people that went to UC Santa Barbara. And, you know, there are thousands of people who have graduated over the course of the past, you know, decades. But I know for me, anybody who has, um, a shared employer or a shared school that we went to, I nearly almost always end up connecting with them and having a conversation.

Sarah Budriunas (19:00):
Yes, absolutely. The alumni network is nothing to balk at. That is a serious force of nature that should be utilized because if anyone in any capacity reaches out to me that they're from UCFB, you know, immediately, I'm like, yes, I want to talk to you, my fellow Gaucho, how can I help? And I know pretty much everyone feels that way about their Alma mater that I know everyone's really proud of where they went and the degree they got. And they also want to hope that the future classes that are graduating especially right now. And the other piece that's important is that commonality piece. Because if I get a lot of, you know, messages, well-intended absolutely, but it's please would be my profile. Or I would like to be an engineer. What do I do? Do you have 15 minutes? He took one look at my background.

Sarah Budriunas (19:45):
I have never been an engineer. You know, I ha I worked for Tesla, but I have no idea. So it's hard to, for me to have that resonate because it's not an area of the business I support, I don't have the background. Um, and while, like I said, well intended, I don't really have anything I can bring to the table for you other than the, the name of the company I work for. So I'm actually not going to be very helpful for you to talk to. Um, so I, I would say that's the other piece is I genuinely, I read every message I get, but there are a lot where I go, I don't know how I could help this individual because I don't have the background. And I don't really know what that piece of the business does day in and day out.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
And something that really stands out to me too, as you talk about the examples of what somebody should do, versus those examples where you're looking at that and reading it and just saying, I'm just not sure what to do is, um, the former were about you and asking you to share something about you. The ladder was about the person who was reaching out. And so, yeah, an interesting point. And so there's a big difference there, you know, it's kind of funny is I've never met anybody who doesn't like to talk about themselves, and I'm not saying that you're vain, but it's just like human nature that like, if somebody asks you about your journey, that's a lot easier to talk about than in the examples where you're describing where the ask might be a little bit vague where it's like, yeah, you want to help them, but it's also either a big time commitment in a sea of messages, or you're just not quite sure what the actionable step is that you can take that can actually, um, end up helping that person the best. If you don't have something in common with that person, do you have any guidance for somebody sending that message?

Sarah Budriunas (21:34):
I think just being honest and saying, no, I saw I reviewed your profile. I see your background. And I really like to know, you know, again, tying it back more about you and your journey and not really making it about, please review my portfolio, please review my profile. I'm looking for a job. I want to work here. It's my dream company. I can look at someone's profile and background all day, but if it's not for a piece of the business, I support, I have no idea how many openings there are. If there are many openings, what the requirements are, you know, they're very nuanced pieces of hiring technical roles that I truly cannot speak to. Not because I don't want to, but because I don't have the knowledge. And so I think understanding that you need to find some mutual ground, whether it's literally just asking what motivated me to go to Tesla, and they'd love to hear more about that experience. And then at that point, absolutely. If we're on the phone, make the shameless ask, you know, I like to apply for this job and you're house. You haven't been on the hip already. That's okay. I made the commitment to have my time to talk to you, but it's a harder ask if it's just cold in a message and there's nothing in class.

Speaker 3 (22:44):
Yeah. I know I've been, I've been at larger companies where, I mean, the recruiting teams have been in some instances huge where I live [inaudible] don't know who has that rec and, or, you know, recruiters have switched functions where there one week there were supporting one function and other weeks they're supporting another. And so size of company matters a ton there. If you're reaching out to somebody where the company has 50 employees, that's a completely different ball game than reaching out to an employer that has dozens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of employees.

Sarah Budriunas (23:23):
Yeah. I think one of the misconceptions can be, Oh, you're a recruiter. So you just look at applicants and it's almost like a Harry Potter sorting hat, right? Like this person is a mechanical engineer. This one's going to work with the design studio. This is going to be a sales person. And unfortunately, while that would be a very talented recruiter, that's not quite how it works, but I get it because that's what I used to think too, before I truly was in a recruiting role and understanding the ins and outs of how it actually works.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
And a lot of recruiters are pretty clear about this. And they're about me where they'll say, I recruit for enterprise sales roles, or I do recruit for technical roles. And so part of that, you know, if you're, if you take the time to do the homework, you can definitely find, um, what in the world makes you curious about right now? What are you spending your time and learning more about,

Sarah Budriunas (24:14):
To be honest, I'm doing a lot of reading on the current events that are taking place right now that are extremely difficult to ignore. I personally started that journey, you know, better, late than never, but I started it right around the election. So about four years ago, and it's come to a head very recently with, you know, the killing of George Floyd and Brianna Taylor, and so many others, so many names. And finally, I think a combination of us being inside for so long and having some of these instances come to light so publicly. And so graphically you're getting enough people that are saying enough. And for me, it's very important to, to be reading and listening and amplifying those voices as much as I can. Uh, and, and really being able to, you know, be in solidarity and do my part. And that luckily is a huge piece of my job too, is making sure that we are being diverse and being inclusive and we're listening and we're learning. And I feel really fortunate that I have that ability where I can actually action, uh, how I'm feeling, you know, in my job. And I know a lot of people don't have that luxury. So, you know, in my spare time though, regardless of what my day looks like, I'm still taking a lot of time to read because I love reading and you can never learn too much. There's just no such thing.

Speaker 3 (25:38):
Yeah. I think right now, more than anything, I'm in a similar spot as you were, I'm just trying to step back and understand, not even comment or take even specific stances, but just to understand different perspectives. And I think right now with the polarization of everything that's happening around us, there are very smart people in that have very different perspectives about everything in the world right now. And I think everybody taking a moment just to understand how other people feel and how your actions might make other people feel. Um, if everybody does that, it'll help all of us be able to just create a better world that we're living in. Um, you know, as you go have gone through your career, are there resources along the way that have helped you, that somebody should absolutely take a up?

Sarah Budriunas (26:46):
I've actually been really fortunate in my most recent role. And when I look back, I actually can pinpoint a couple of really critical people that were mentors. And so it's not something where I can tell you, Hey, go learn this Excel class or, you know, go, go take these master classes naturally, what's going to get to the next level. For me, it was finding individuals, whether it was through someone. I knew that maybe I just came across them somehow, or, you know, that I worked with them. Maybe they were my manager that I felt they were able to take me under their wing and really show me not just how to walk the, walk, the, talk, the talk, and become a master in my craft. And I feel so fortunate for that. And I think a lot of those opportunities are still out there in many different ways based on what someone might be doing or where they are, where they're working for.

Sarah Budriunas (27:37):
Um, so I w I would say I would encourage everyone to, to try and figure out how that plays into their journey and their path. Currently, my manager right now is incredible. I'm the reason I am in the position I'm in and will continue to grow is because of him. And I feel so fortunate that I was able to, to have that experience. And I mentioned previously, my first manager at Equinox, you know, we're still really good friends. We're actually very close in age. And he was someone that always fought for me when it was time for promotion, or it was time for movement or transfer. Those people are powerful, and they're not always the easiest to come by, but they are so worth it. So whatever it might be in whatever capacity that makes sense, that would be the biggest resource that I would look for.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah. And I've seen that on both sides with my promotions throughout my career, as well as the times where I've advocated for others, that having that advocate in the room where the decisions are going to be made, it's much better even to have an advocate advocating for you than for you to go out and advocate for yourself, you know, how do you go about, or how, how did those relationships form where you ask for that help?

Sarah Budriunas (28:57):
I think a lot of it is someone recognizing you have high potential. So maybe it's not something you're outwardly doing, but it's how they, and day in your attitude looks or how you do your work. And I do believe that people come into your life for a certain reason at a certain time, whether you seek them out or whether it's just the right opportunity and they happen to be right there. Um, but it's, it's a lot of times then for me, someone that's studied my work. And then when I finally have come to them saying, Hey, if I can I just pick your brain, you know, how did you get into your role? Is there anything you're seeing I could do differently? And I'm looking for that feedback, looking for that sort of constructive criticism or areas of opportunity and opening that door to then let that grow.

Sarah Budriunas (29:38):
And for me, that's how it's worked best. And then at one point I actually was legitimately paying a life coach. It was someone that I knew through someone at Equinox and I, I would not really have a good compass on what I'm doing on a daily basis. If it weren't for my time, spent working with him. Um, I was like I mentioned previously, at one point I'm so burnt out at Equinox. I couldn't even really figure out what I liked anymore or what inspired me. I was just my brain couldn't even process ideas like that. So I would say, if anyone gets to that point, please reevaluate where you are, because that's not healthy. It's not good for anyone or anyone around you or yourself. But that being said, you know, finding someone that can also help maybe motivate you out of that, pull yourself out of that.

Sarah Budriunas (30:24):
Um, or at least get you on a path where you are finding the way out. That's what this individual did for me. And we actually spent a lot of time figuring out what is my life purpose. And it was to connect strategize and lead accomplishment for high potential learners. He made me memorize it and then said, anytime you apply to any job, but when you're in any role, think about, is this my life purpose? Am I following my life purpose? And if you are, and you'll know when you're good, if you are, then you're on the right path. If you're not, and you'll probably know, and we've got us, you're not, what are you going to do to change it? What steps are you going to take to right the ship?

Vincent Phamvan (31:03):
And I think that's an incredible place to end this episode and, you know, coming full circle. If you're listening to this and you feel like that right now, you're quoting Sarah from earlier in the episode, not taking any action is actually a decision in itself. Sarah, thanks so much for joining this episode. Where can our listeners connect with you online?

Sarah Budriunas (31:24):
Absolutely. LinkedIn is a great platform for me. I'm an open networker, so I'll pretty much take any connections. Um, so I think that's probably the best way to go about talking more and, you know, making those contacts.

Vincent Phamvan (31:39):
Awesome. Well, thank you so much again for joining us on this episode today.

Sarah Budriunas (31:44):
Thank you so much for having me.

Vincent Phamvan (31:49):
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